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[ravilsr]

AN ATTEMPT TO EXPLORE THE GREATNESS OF M.S.V
by L.S.R RAVICHANDRAN

it is a tragedy to the music lovers in general and those who appriciate film music in particular that there are people still around who have the temarity and gumption equally aided by total lack of understanding of the finesse , knowledge , dedication , creativity that go into creating a composition, to criticise and give a left handed treatment to the master pieces generated like a torrential rainfall by the preemminent doyen of indian film music the incomparable acharya emiratus , the never before and never after and never will be the ultimate authority of film music , the direct descendant of naradha muni , the permanent resident of gandharwa lokha , bhagwan shri shri M.S.VISWANATHAN. the greatest .

it is sad that views such as few directors who could be given the honour of being remotly comparable with acharya m.s.v. is still in circulation .
it is fashionable to join the bandwagon of groups which maybe numerically stronger and pathetically less informed as you see in indian politics .
to compare m.s.vishwanathan with any other music director will loftly speak about the total ignorance bordering on stupidity and inexperince of a person concerned
unbiased listener endowed with equllibrium at both heart and brains will rule incompassionately in favour of the mighty melody monarch m.s.v.

so much is spoken about the music of other mds can anyone authoritatively argue with substance knowledge , scholarship and erudision and refute that there can be a music director who can match in terms of genius and virtuosity the following compositions of acharya m.s.v

1.poga poga therium (server sundaram) raag : natta bhairavi

2.ninyakka therindha maname unnaku raag : nattabhairavi

3.anni muthu vangi vandhen avani vidhiyile raag : natta bhairai

4.varadh irrupalo vanna malar kanni aval raag : natta bhairavi

5.thangapathakthil mele oru muthu raag : natta bhairavi

6.nan parthadhile aval orithiyay than raag: natta bhairavi

7.poojai ku vandha malre va bhoomi ku vandha nilave raag: natta bhairavi

8. ettu adukku malligai ill etri vaitha en thalaivan raag: natta bhairavi (partially)

9.kathirindha kangale kadhai allantha nenjame raag : natta bhairavi

anyone having any doubt about the versitality and innate music genious of m.s.v should make an honest attempt to listen to these songs( all of them are based on one single melakarta raagam natta bhairavi) atleast ten times each to understand m.s.v.'s level of competence .
these 9 songs can be considerd as text book and extant authority for how to make a tune out of one raaga.these songs have no commonality what so ever except that they are based on one raag natta bhairavi. unless it is pointed out no one even remotly think that these 9 songs are made out of one single scale .

the kind of bgm , interlude , prelude used in these songs should be a dictionary and original textbook reference for anyone who wants to know anything about these issues.
it is futile to run down m.s.v and subject him to the supreme humiliation of comparing him with ohter music directors who are pigmesse in terms of contribution and variety giving.

some of the contemprary music directors could have earned money in multitude compared to m.s.v. who was payed peanuts .
remember during m.s.v's time the great stalwart m.s.v had to deal with giants such as m.g.r , shivaji , gemini , ss vasan , t.r sundaram , avm chettiyar , jupiter somu , naggi reddy , sridhar , and the like.
during his entire meaningful sterling carreer spanning for ,more than 40 years he was compelled into dealing with doyens some of who's names are mentioned

all of them were almost his equals in their respective proffession .
therefore the brilliance of m.s.v was not apparant.
wheras some of the music directors who are patheticaly , outlandishingly compared with msv have no such compulsions most of the producers , directors and actors with whom these md's have dealtt with , dealing with are not worthy of any comparison with the likes m.s.v. dealt with.

the interludes , preludes , bgms of thousands of songs churned out by msv must have been fallen on the deaf ears of people who dare to question the supreme contribution of msv in these departments .

it maybe beacause such people are irreversably , incorrigiably arrogant or pathetically ignorant beyond redumption about melody.
the md's should bow down and kneel down at the lotus feet of acharya m.s.v. to learn about the nuances of film music (all departments).

50 years hence the music world will rate acharya m.s.v along with the trinity's of carnatic music- thyagaraja, shyama shastri , muthhuswamy dixithar.

since the landmark of msv is hindustani classical music he will also be rated at par with mia tansen of akbar court.

[vaidymsv]

Dear Ravi,

A very warm Welcome to MSVTIMES.COM!!!

Though your arrival was a belated one, you still managed to start your innings with a straight six!!! Really thought provoking post. The nine examples you have quoted for "Nata Bhairavi" base was really awesome and proves beyond anyone's doubt that here's a Legend who could tune for any given situation using the same raga and yet maintain a totally different presentation. No wonder we call him the most unparallelled creator of this millennium.

MSV - IN A CLASS OF HIS OWN!!!

CHEERS
MSV IS MUSIC
VAIDY
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vaidymsv

[VaidyMSV & Sriram Lax]

welcome ravi

acharya MSV - great - a deserving title
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vijayakrishnan

[ravilsr]

yes ofcourse desrving title by all means

[sriramp]

Thank you Ravi. I liked your post as much as MSV's Music. I heard lot of MSV's contemporary MDs. While many other MDs cannot go beyond the pallavi in their creativity, we can see how MSV's spell binding imagination takes us through the entire song. Sometimes we have to listen to others to recognize the greatness of MSV.

My guess is that MSV himself would not know what raaga he is using for a given song as classical music flows through his blood stream. I would like to give an analogy, in software there are architects who study various design patterns and then recognize and use them as they come across their work and other geniuses like MSV who do not even know what pattern they are using but use their creativity and imagination to choose the right pattern to design solutions.

As Ilaiyaraja rightly said, MSV is blessed by goddess Saraswathi to this. For a normal man like me, I have a one liner for MSV,

"MSV is classical music for the common man."

MSV took film as the media to take carnatic music to the common man.

[saradhaa_sn]

Welcome Ravi,

Your fisrt post itself a big bang. Very nice. It shows your knowledge about ragas.

Please continue your writings, as much as you can.
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Saradha Prakash

[irenehastings]

A grand welcome dear Ravichandran,

You have come with a post which gives more expectations from you and hope you will fulfil that in future too.

Pour your valuable thoughts here and make us enjoy the 'real music'.

irene.

[madhuraman]

Dear Mr.Ravi,
Welcome to this elite conglomerate for enriching its data base besides enthralling us of the grandeurs of MSV. While I would concur over 99% of your reference to MSV's times that can not ever be sought to be compared with the lesser mortals of later times, may I just add a small observation of mine? Not only had MSV to rub shoulders with equally competent MDs, Producers, Actors, Directors and every other genre of value in filmmaking [not to speak of lyricists] he had to swim against the tide. But being a genius unparalleled, he rapidly ascended the throne in the most convincing way displaying a grit of talent. Besides, soon he captured his clientele in every form breaking his own path periodically, only to scale-up dizzy heights.To date we have not had the likes of MSV in any component of film music though the later ones have reaped richer harvests for lesser labour. My point is, MSV overtook all the genuinely authoritative composers of his times and remains a colossus who can never be sidelined by any genuine lover of music. Even his antagonists[though none is physically visible] know heart of hearts that he is unparalleled do not laud him in any forum,as they are basically afraid that given a real chance he can sweep all of them in one stroke. I do not see anything other than this "fear of self". Thank you for this chance to express my faith.
Regards Prof.K.Raman Navi Mumbai.
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Prof. K. Raman
Mumbai

[raghavan vasudevan]

Hallo,

The music of MSV will stand like rockm of gibralter no match for it.
It is foolhardy to compare his music with that of other music directors. For example KVM composed music with limited orchestra and songs on carnatic raagas was his forte and he never compromised on melody. The same applies to Khayam, SD Burman, Jaidev.

But composers like Shankar jaikishan, kalyanji Anandji, Laxikanth pyerelal,RD Burman, Rajesh Roshan, excelled in rich orchestration, compositing songs based on Hindisthan ragaas also in between. Their compositions had allso melody.

But MSV is one who has composed songs beautifully with a few instruments, songs tht had morethan 70 men in the orchestra and ofcourse innumerable songs based on carnatac ragaas. HEIS A COMPLETE MUSIC DIRECTOR - ONE WHO GIVES WHAT THE DIRECTOR/PRODUCER WANTS.. HE IS LIKE A SUPERMARKET WHERE YOU HAVE EVERY PRODUCT A TO Z.

Just for example take these two songs - there is some rareness in each of the song.

1. Adi endi assattu penne, un ennathil yarandi kanne (by LR Eswari)
2. anda naal gnyabagam nenjele vandathu (TMS)

The above songs carry a rare kind of compositions yet there were popular and melodious to hear. Are there any composers who had such variety, such difference in the compositions as MSV.

Examples are so many.

[msvramki]

அன்புள்ள ரவிச்சந்திரன்,

உங்கள் வரவு ( எம்.எஸ்.வி டைம்ஸ் க்கு) நல் வரவாகுக !!

உங்கள் முதல் பதிப்பிலேயே தூள் கிளப்பிவிட்டீர்கள் !

அதிலும் 'நடபைரவி' ராகத்தில் அமைந்த்ததென நீங்கள் கொடுத்த ஒன்பது பாடல்களின் 'ஒற்றுமையில் வேற்றுமை' யை நம் எம்.எஸ்.வியைத் தவிர எநத ஒரு கொம்பனாலும் கொடுக்க முடியாது ! அறியாமையில் திணறும் இந்த தற்கால உலகத்திற்கு இது ஒரு பெரிய படிப்பினை !!

தொடர்ந்து எழுதுங்கள், ரசிகர் கூட்டம் காத்திருக்கிறது !

அதிதியையும் எழுதச்சொல்லுங்களேன் - அவளது அபார இந்துஸ்தானி ஆற்றலுடன், நம் 'பரமாச்சாரியாரின்' ( ஆம் - இந்தப்பட்ட்ம் எம் எஸ் விக்கு வழங்கப்ப்ட்டு இருக்கிறது !)
இசை ஆழங்களை அலசச்சொல்லலாமே ! - " மெல்லிசை மாமன்னர் இசையில் கர்நாடக ராகங்களின் இந்துஸ்தானிப் ப்ரிமளிப்புக்கள் '" என்ற தலைப்பில் !

Adithi ! Please. ! This could be topic which may lead her to get a PhD !!

அன்புடன் ராம்கி.
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isaiyin innoru peyar thaan emmessvee.

[saradhaa_sn]

[S.Balaji]

Hearty welcome Ravislr !

Wish to hear more from you with this type of special analysis.

Only recently, we had such a similar analysis by JayramG on Kalyani & now its about Natabhairavi another classic raga ! Great.

Specialists like you are really needed to enlighten music lovers & such posts of yours will give the current generation , what MSV's music is all about .... the undisputed King of melody....

Pls visit regularly & share your thoughts about the divine music of MSV.

Its a wonderful analysis ... Cheers

[ravilsr]

its my pleasure to write about the great meastro
thank u

[Ram]

[Ram]

Please see the comment from Mr.S.B.Khanthan (Teleserial Director)

Dear Shri Ravi,
Great write up, unfurling one more feather in the illusrious cap of Shri MSV Acharya.
I have heard from my father that Saint Thyagaraja never used to sit and compose with Pen, Paper and eraser.
The krithis just flowed out of his soul and were later on notated by his disciples. I have seen this happening when
Shri MSV Achaarya composes his songs. The tunes are given birth out of his sheer love for the given situation and some times
the given pallavi . Only later his assitants decipher it to be in certain ragaa pattern.That is perhaps the
reason why all these Nata Bairavi's sound so different from one another. Hats off to your observation.

Director S B Khaanthan
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Ramkumar