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Than vaanathai theduthu - Amara Kaviyam
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 27, 2009 9:52 am    Post subject: Than vaanathai theduthu - Amara Kaviyam Reply with quote

SUPERB! This song simply sits at the peak of class. Quawaali type. Voices of SPB and S Janaki modulate like any thing in Mellisai Mannar's direction. Simply one of the greatest songs of MM.

Film: Amara Kaaviyam
Singers: SPB, S.Janaki
Lyrics: Vaalee

Listen: http://www.raaga.com/player4/?id=39376&mode=100&rand=0.03295166976749897

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 20, 2010 1:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This definitely is a beautiful quawaali from our MM. Fluent SPB and a river in full flow: Prasad (who else!). Those fine touches (in every stanza) where MM changes our mood and returns back! Good choice Sir!
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 21, 2010 4:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The movie was a disaster at Box office and it was absolutely wrong timing by MSV to have picked Nadigar Thilagam . Sivaji was totally lost by that time The story was a remake of Muqadar ka Sikandhar , an Amitabh starred hit movie.
Time and again, somehow MSV never had that success as a Producer . Hard earned money through gems of composition all have gone down the drain. There was another movie which I dont want to mention as MSV is our musical Almighty and let us confine to his music only Crying or Very sad

Vaguely remember some promos showing our MSV's 1000th movie ??!!
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 21, 2010 6:55 pm    Post subject: Rare songs of MSV Reply with quote

Dear Friends,
There is nothing wrong with persons or their capabilities. However, there is always an inexplicable phase of 'market decline' for anyone in the tinsel world. What happens in moviedom is a clear loss of rapport between producer and other technical crew, as with passage of time the crew itself is a mixture of old and new, effectively diluting the longstanding reputation for perfection. Literally every movie house has had this. Now-a-days we see big movie houses engaging Directors who are not of their own business house. Very few humans can opt to abandon their ways for the sake of playing to the gallery just with box office in mind. Such financial plummets need not be taken too serious of reflecting calibre, nor do box office hits have anything to do with quality or calibre.

Thanks for the opportunity.
Warm regards Prof. Madurai.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 21, 2010 6:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dear Balaji,
I too second Shiva kumar. It was the fault of chosing the movie and not the star. No star or creator is exempted from facing flops or failures commercially. But that does not mean the creation is related to the success. Neither NT nor MSV lagged in the film. Both had given their best under the given circumstances. Because this film was not a commercial hit, it does not mean it is a disaster. MSV in his career, has seen many films failing at the box office but never his music, irrespective of the star cast.

Nadigar Thilagam has never interfered in Mellisai Mannar's work and MSV had full freedom when working with NT. Only under extremely wanting situations, he could give some suggestions - underline suggestions - not forceful opinions - which he would leave it to MSV to decide. On his part he has given life to each and every song MSV has composed for him.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 21, 2010 11:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dear Sri Raghavendran,

Knowing your devotion to NT, I am reluctant to mention that NT should have tried to influence MSV at least on a few occasions. We have MSV's own narration of how Sivaji intervened in the composition of Neerodum Vaigaiyile, prompted by Kavignar. I have been feeling sad that both these gentlemen had spoiled a wonderful experiment. Rendering a whole song in whistle would have created a lot of excitement and notice. But that was not to be, thanks to the intransigence of Kavignar (to whom I have as much regard as I have for MSV), the ill-advised interference of NT and the docility of MSV and Bhim Singh! We don't know how many such interventions had been there! May be, these were considered quite natural those days!

I have nothing to say on Amarakaviyam, except that this film performed at the box office as did other films of MSV like Kalaik koil, Getty Melam, Silk Silk and Police Police.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 22, 2010 10:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dear Mr. Sivakumar,

I have not made any comparisons. I have cited one instance that was quoted by Mm himself. In my opinion, the damage to MM's attempted innovation for Neeroodum vaigaiyile, done by Kavignar and Sivaji is a great loss to film music in general and MM's glory in particular. I have mentioned that even MM and Bhim Singh have to share the blame for not asserting themselves on the idea that would have created history.

If it is your line that NT did interfere but not to the extent of MGR, I am inclined to agree with you!
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 22, 2010 3:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dear Mr. Sivakumar,

I do not like to argue on this point elaborately.

Facts cannot be wished away. The fact remains that Kavignar and NT scuttled an innovative experiment of MM. Anyone can understand how disappointed MM would have been at his project getting grounded. (One can also sense this when he keeps mentioning this whenever this song is played by him or in presence of him.) It is another matter that Neerodum vaigaiyile is an immortal song.

My point has nothing to do with musical knowledge, an area in which I am at the lowest rung. It is about MM's innovation getting a raw deal. If someone (like AVM Kumaran) would have objected, Andha Naal gnaabakam would not have come into being. In its place another immortal melody would have come. But imagine what we would have missed!

If NT has helped to inspire MM for Enge Nimmadhi, let him take the credit for it. This cannot undo his role in stifling MM's innovative attempt. MM has got inspirations from various sources (like all creators get). It does not mean that but for the source of these inspirations, the creations would not have happened!

There is no need to feel hurt about what I said about NT just because you are a great admirer of NT. I am second to none in my admiration for Kavignar (In fact I generally don't even mention his name. To me, the word Kavignar can refer only to him!) Yet I have no hesitation in mentioning that he has prevented the fruition of a great creative experiment. This action of Kavignar, however, cannot even make a dent on the high esteem I have for him. It is just a mistake committed by him (in my opinion.) Everyone commits mistakes. These mistakes do not necessarily cast a shadow on their greatness.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 22, 2010 3:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It is because of this reason when he had full freedom in Ninathale Inikkum, he came out with the song only with humming.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 22, 2010 8:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dear Mr. Sivakumar,
I don't mind your having the last word on this debate, since I have already said all I wanted to say. But I cannot help adding one line: The hero and the lyricist stepping in and changing the decision made by the Director and the Music Director can by no stretch of imagination be called a collective decision.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 23, 2010 11:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

dear all

i know this chapter has come to an end by now -hope shivkumar agrees let me also add :

while i agree 100 % on missing an innovative number , let us not forget
the decisions in film industry doesnot follow any prescribed norms, or SOPs ,majority of them are based on instincts and past experiences .
NT/MT got involved , probably for 2 reasons , the films are cashed only on their names , which they wanted to maintain , at any cost .
secondly .the songs were known then as MGR songs and shivaji songs ,(i am not advocating that was right ) and obviously , they had every reason to worry about the success of the songs.
if my memory serves me right only in mid 70s ,the trend got changd with MGR bowed out of filmdom , and NT , has none to compete ,and directors like KB emerged and thus new trend on music started thats why
we got ninathaley innikkum , varumaiyin niram sivappu , poikal kuthirai , agni chatchi (with puthukavithais tuned )
so none to blame , but we know we are at loss.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 24, 2010 8:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The above discussions show one thing:
NT should have
(i) intervened to change tunes for innumerable times
(ii) asked MSV to use the instruments suggested
(iii) recommended musicians in his troupe
(iv) compose lyrics to magnify him personally
(v) and used his influence in all the songs for him

Pity, NT was not magnanimous enough to do above things.

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