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PostPosted: Fri Aug 08, 2014 4:10 pm    Post subject: Comments about MSV in Youtube Reply with quote

Ram suggested that I start a series on MSV's music. I found the task bewildering since my appreciation of MSV's music is based on the emotional impact it made on me right from my adolescent days, not based on any analysis. With zero knowledge on the basics of music, I was still able to discern, even as a boy that there had been something unique, mystical and divine about MSV's music. I didn't have anyone to share my perceptions with except my younger brother, who in the earlier years might have been influenced by me, with most of my friends inclined towards Hindi film music to the extent of concluding that TFM including MSV's music was inferior to HFM. I was living with this painful judgment sought to be imposed on me by several sources, till I discovered msvimes.com. it was like Ramanujan discovering Prof Hardy. (The comparison has a limited purpose. The comparison of Ramanujan is only for the plight not for the faculties.)

I have learnt quite a bit about certain aspects of music, the names of some musical instruments and even learnt to recognize a few. But I find i am still at the stage of learning the alphabets and I know that I can't go much farther, given the complexity of the subject and my tenure of life remaining.

Prodded by Professor Raman also, I thought I should start with something. Then I decided that I would do something which I am capable of. Rather than take the risk of analyzing and fumbling, I will take up a compiling job.

A couple of years back a tag on 'MSV songs in youtube' was started in our forum and a number of songs were shared. But I find that in the past few months, uploading of MSV songs in the youtube has been taking place at an exponential pace. I think that more than 1000 MSV songs should have been uploaded so far.

While going through the comments on several songs, I was pleasantly surprised that there have been quite a few comments showing a deep appreciation of MSV. I don't know whether some of these people are our mebers but I feel that there should be a good number of people not belonging to our forum making these comments. While most of the comments will be about the heroes, heroines and the singers, of late, quite a few people have been making wonderful comments about some of the nuances of the songs, mentioning the name of MSV and praising his skills as a composer.

I have been thinking of compiling at least some of these comments and presenting them here. I was pondering how I should do it. Now I have found a way to do this through this thread.

In this process, I also expect to give the links to many rare songs which even some of our forum members might not have heard. I think the first song which I will present in my next post will also be a rare one. Honestly, I have not heard this song earlier and there was an effusive praise for this from some people. I felt a little embarrassed that I had missed hearing this song all along.

In this context, I would like to record here that our member G Raghavan (GiRa) has uploaded a large number of MSV songs under the name goldtreat. Our N Y Murali has made a large number of comments. I have also pitched in here and there.

I plan to take up song by song and post only those comments that mention MSV. I think at least some of the members will find this informative since not all of us view youtube and take (have) the time or patience to go through all the comments (most of which are ridiculous and senseless anyway)

I will post the song in my next post.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 08, 2014 7:26 pm    Post subject: Songs composed by MSV-TKR- MSV Reply with quote

Dear Mr. Rangaswami,

Nice of you to have responded to our appeal. If not for anything else, just for the variety of efforts in looking at MSV, any writing is welcome. Given your attitude to consummate presentation, your new effort of compiling 'general fans' views' [not under the banner msv times] I am confident that it would add to the dimension of looking at his creativity. Also, it opens another vista of gathering perceptions from elsewhere. Anyway people like me would stand the benefit of 'reorienting' our facets in deciphering the nuances of this creator. Thank you once again for your explorative efforts.

Warm regards K.Raman Madurai.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 08, 2014 10:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I will start with the song I have missed listening to all these years.


Kalyanap pandhal alangaaram from Thattungal thirakkappatum
Uploaded by TFMLover1983

Uploaded on 10.06.2012 9,313 views at the time of my posting this.

Song description as given by the person who uploaded this song

Kalyaana pandhal alangaram -PS-MSV-Kannadasan

kalyaana pandhal alangaaram...
high-pitched # composed by MSV
where P Susheela excels
whining shehnai embraced by the bouncing 'cloud nine echo
that perfectly conveys the feelings
as the 'second wind caresses this scenic musical breath of fresh air
lyrics by Kannadasan
song from utterly flopped Thattungal Thirakkappadum (1966)
in which Nadigayar Thilagam Savithri paired R S Manohar

Comments mentioning the music:

Raviraman O R
@TFMLover1983, can't thank you enough for this lovely song... Had been searching this for long time. Sadly due to the movie's poor show, the song went unnoticed... Beautiful lyrics matched with P.Susheela's amazing pitch

goldtreat
A very rare and unforgettable melody by P.Susila. Thanks for the upload which is a very favourite song for me. Your datas and explanations are amazing and speaks your experience. Please, if possible upload the song "Thithippathu edhu athu edhuvo" another gem from the same movie.

subbu9198
amazing song , long forgotten too used to be on Radio Ceylon thanks for bringing back those golden memories masterfully composed my M V Visvanathan thanks to tfmlover

Marcis Remington
என்ன ஒரு அருமையான பாடல், வெகுநாள் தேடலுக்குப் பிறகு கிடைத்த பொக்கிஷம் என்றுதான் சொல்ல வேண்டும். மனோகர் அவர்கள் நெகடிவ் ரோல், நடிகையர் திலகம் கதாநாயகி, அதற்கேற்றர்போல் கவியரசரின் வரிகளும் மெல்லிசை மன்னரின் சோகம் இழையோடிய இசையும். ஷெனாய் வாத்தியமும், ஹை பீட் டேப் வாத்திய வாசிப்பும், சுசீலா அவர்களின் தேன் குரலும் அருமை அருமை அருமை. திரைப் படம்: தட்டுங்கள் திறக்கப்படும். Thanks indeed TFMLover 1983

radiosivji
Dear TFML, The Lyrics, Music,Voice, pitch , Echo, Bgm shehnai, Echo, Scenic location etc. Everything is Superb. But this song was not there in the movie for the first Week. It was being shot somewhere in Nilgiri hills. Prints were rushed to theatres and jointed . About a week later Kalyana panthal alank......started to echo in Cinema houses regards, radiosivji


Here is the link for the song
http://youtu.be/GY7NYfcalH8?list=PL5JIJB-sAbFGlpxIIVccvLMU0yBS21RDB
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 09, 2014 5:44 am    Post subject: Songs composed by MSV-TKR- MSV Reply with quote

Dear Mr.Rangaswami,
Thank you for your altruistic effort of reference to
"kalyANa pandhal alankAram" from ThattungaL Thirakkappadum - a movie produced by Shri.Chandrababu and Directed by him. All his friends rallied behind him in making this movie. But, movie making is a tricky art of balancing the artistes' availability, shooting schedule, hiring floor space in studios and convincing the film distributors of the prospect of profits and so on. Obviously, Chandrababu's ability as an actor-Director did not match the requirements of commerce related to the trade. His friends -MSV and actress Nadigayar Thilakam Savitri lent their best support though the actress was herself through personal problems. All songs churned out for the movie were resounding and causing huge expectation. The elephantine gestation of the movie did its undoing in the sense that shots were done over a long period of time that each artist appeared in different physical dimensions through the movie and it robbed the charm of viewing the movie. Though it hit the screens in late 1966, for a long time audience were awaiting its arrival. Long hibernating movies rarely succeed [exception USV, FOR, THE DELAY WAS DUE TO POLITICAL REASONS]. This has also been the movie where KRVijaya appeared glamorous and PS gave an LRE type crooner in Thithippadhu adhu edhu? bearing KD- MSV patent.

Warm regards K.Raman Madurai
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 09, 2014 8:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Prof,
I planned to post thithippadhu later in my planned (!) random order. Since you have made a mention of this, I am posting it.

This song was also posted by TFMLover1983 in response to the request of goldtreat (our G Raghavan) in his comment on Kalyanap pandhal alangaram.

Here is the description given by the uploader.

Thithippadhu edhu adhuvO-PS-MSV-K R Vijaya

Published on Jun 11, 2012
fans request #
yet another example of P Susheela's
amazing voice modulation to fit this free spirit character
and of course the body language of the actress
in this case .it is sveltely glamorous K R Vijaya
gorgeously inviting too , MSV 's music and Kannadasan's lyrical impulse
trying to find harmony whilst PS changes her tone and pitch with absolute
involvement ! one can only wonder:
listen those words thithippadhu..it tastes like more.

'மேகம் மூடிய மலைகளின் நடுவே பாடும் பாடலது'
நடிகையர் திலகம் சாவித்திரிக்காக இதே திரைப்படத்தில்
மலை முகட்டில் எதிரொலிக்கும் குரலில் வேறு விதமாக
கல்யாணப் பந்தல் அலங்காரம் பாடிய இதே இசைக் குயில்
K R விஜயாவுக்காக 'பாடும் பாடலை பாடப் பாட ஊறும் போதையது'
தொனி எப்படி மாறி ஒலிக்கிறது பாருங்கள் அல்லது கேளுங்கள்
பாடலின் பிண்ணனியும் கண்ணதாசனின் வரிகளும்
எத்தனை கோணங்களில் ஒத்துழைத்து பரிணமிக்கின்றன என்றும் பாருங்கள்
அது தான் பழைய பாடல்களின் தனிச்சிறப்பு !


My comments:
Views 4950. Taking the cue from the word 'thithippadhu' MSV has infused an unclying sweetness into this song. Unfortunately, the comments on this song, while appreciative of the music, do not mention MSV by name. However, I am reproducing the couple of comments (some in part) that had a good word about the song.

GanesanJ
WELL SAID TFML......HAPPY TO READ YOUR NOTES AND ENJOYED UR SONG

subbu9198
another WOW ! such movies were flopped but the songs are praiseworthy always thanks for making my day

Shan serling
thank you so much for uploading this song. I waited ages
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 09, 2014 8:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I omitted to give the link for the song. Here is it:

http://youtu.be/O9cdbIyQJ4U

In My Comments, the first line should read , 'MSV has infused an uncloying sweetness...'

I also want to appreciate the uploader for mentioning MSV in the title in both the uploads, apart from crediting his contribution in the description. This is in contrast to the general tendency of many people uploading songs, to title such songs as something like 'KR Vijaya hits!'
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 09, 2014 10:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dear Parthavi,

Thanks for fulfilling my request.

You wrote:
parthavi wrote:
my appreciation of MSV's music is based on the emotional impact it made on me right from my adolescent days


All I'm saying is you can expand / describe more on this EMOTIONAL IMPACT. That does not need any technical expertise to express your emotional impact. (Infact thats all what I'm doing)

So can I expect "MSV AND EMOTIONAL IMPACT" series from you?

Cheers. Very Happy Very Happy
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 09, 2014 10:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ram,
I remember a quote, 'Writing is a conspiracy against experience in that it seeks to transcribe something that can only be felt.' This is a paraphrased version and the original is beautifully worded. In a way, my paraphrasing this quote itself can be considered a conspiracy against the original quote!

Anyway, the point is emotions are difficult to be expressed in words. They are not even tangible many times. I have felt like crying while listening to some songs. I have felt heavy, I have felt light, I have felt depressed, I have felt liberated and so on.

I will just give a couple of examples that are in my conscious memory. When I heard the line from the song ஆலயமணியின் ஓசையை நான் கேட்டேன் பாலும் பழமும்

காதல் கோவில் நடுவினிலே
கருணைத் தேவன் மடியினிலே
யாரும் அறியாப் பொழுதினிலே
அடைக்கலமானேன் முடிவினிலே

with the pitch increasing first and then subsiding at the time of
அடைக்கலமானேன் முடிவினிலே,

I would have a feeling of grief mixed with some kind of resignation. At the time I heard this song, I had not watched the movie. In fact, I didn't watch this movie for a long time since its release since I was living in a village and it would take a couple of years for a film to visit our local touring theater. Or I should get an opportunity to visit a city for attending a marriage, spending my school vacation or some such thing and get a chance to see new movies.

So, I didn't know the story. I knew it was a love song from the lyrics. But perhaps the words ஆலயமணி, இறைவன், கோயில் etc. have given me a subconscious feeling of spirituality. The tune also had a sublimity, not a mundane feeling of love. Perhaps these words had prompted MSV to go for a tune like this.

Perhaps, the lines quoted by me had given me a feeling that the person singing the song had reached the feet of God which meant that her life had ended. May be this is what made me feel sad.

Now perhaps, I can rationalize that the heroine never had a life of romance even after her marriage. She had to be engaged in service, first helping her husband, then becoming sick, running away and coming back only to serve her bilnded husband again. This could be the reason why both Kavignar and the Mellisai Mannar have given a spiritual dimension to this song.

But at that time I didn't know what made me feel song. But it was a kind of மனதைப் பிழியும் சோகம்

Whenever I heard
சிட்டுக்குருவி முத்தம் கொடுத்து

I felt like being lifted up on to the air. I don't know why.

Perhaps the line பறந்து செல்ல நினைத்து விட்டேன் acted as the trigger.

But I used to be mesmerized even when I heard the prelude. I still feel it's an extraordinary prelude that has the effect of lifting up my soul.

I used to think that I should tell my people to play this song when I was in my death bed since I felt that if I died hearing this song, I would definitely reach heaven. This may sound frivolous. But this is how I had felt several times.

These are a few feelings of mine which I can recall and record. If I can go back on my memory lane and if I am able to capture other such emotional experiences, I will open a thread. But I am not sure whether what I have shared here would interest anyone.

Anyway, thank you for your prompt.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 10, 2014 2:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dear Parthavi Sir,

Thanks again for honoring my request.

Parthavi wrote:
But I am not sure whether what I have shared here would interest anyone


Honestly your writing is so expressive and natural that it touched my heart.

I weeped after reading the below line of yours.

Parthavi wrote:
I used to think that I should tell my people to play this song when I was in my death bed since I felt that if I died hearing this song, I would definitely reach heaven. This may sound frivolous. But this is how I had felt several times


THIS IS THE BEST EMOTIVE EXPRESSION I HAVE EVER READ IN THIS FORUM! YOU ARE THE TRUEST FAN OF MSV!

My other request to you is, please pass on this thought/emotion (I don't know how to name this line).... to MSV.

I bet it will be a great feeling of liberation for both you and MSV, when MSV hears this statement of yours!

May you have that experience!

With lots of love......
Ram
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 10, 2014 2:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Parthavi wrote:
I used to think that I should tell my people to play this song when I was in my death bed since I felt that if I died hearing this song, I would definitely reach heaven. This may sound frivolous. But this is how I had felt several times


This line of yours created such a haunting and melancholic effect in me that it forced to listen the song multiple times at 3 AM midnight.

I must confess that all my writings in this forum turned into dust and ash before this single powerful expression of yours.

This is the best compliment MSV would have heard in his whole of his life!

My humble pranams to the purity in your soul.

JUST IN TEARS!!! NO WORDS !!!

May you attain bliss!
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 10, 2014 6:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

dear Parthavi
your posting is as emotive as mellisai mannar with his tunes.

your posting also establishes the fact that MSV's creations can be effectively explained with out getting into raghas,chords etc.i feel thats the beauty of master's creatioms

He is really a chakravarthy in giving whatever the citizens in his territory needs , and he equally distributes the same . thats why his creations are now analysed from different angles.

i am really happy thar RAM induced to write ,to get such lovely posts

keep it up

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 10, 2014 4:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dear parthavi,

The thread started by you is fabulous.
This is the power of MSV's composition.

It touches every inner sense of the listener takes you a different world each time he listens !

His creations are above any raga or any rules or boundaries and given only to trigger your innerself and haunt thereafter for long until you hear his another number (remember it is HIS another, not any other).

Your writing triggers all my childhood experience of listening to His songs and my experience too is just identical to yours. Let me also recall my memories try to add to this thread.

'பறந்து செல்ல நினைத்து விட்டேன்.....' உங்களில் ஏற்படுத்திய பாதிப்பு என்னை உருக்கி விட்டது.

ஊனை உருக்கி உயிரை உயர்ப்பிக்கும் உயரிய இசை எம் எஸ் வி யின் இசை.

இந்த வரி படித்ததும் உடன் நினைவுக்கு வரும் பாடல் வரி,

'பிர்ந்தவர் மீண்டும் சேர்ந்திடும் போது அழுதால் கொஞ்சம் நிம்மதி'
என்னில் ஏற்படுத்து பாதிப்பு சொல்லால் விளக்கமுடியாது.

தொடர்ந்து எழுத வேண்டுகிறேன்.

அன்புடன் ராம்கி.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 10, 2014 8:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Parthavi ji ,
I am not surprised by your feelings at all because you are another admirer of SOUlFUl music which we all know only one man can give ...
Intact , my day starts with some melody of the Master...invariably that song creates an uncompromising impact on me and the entire day goes by that creation....most important, it takes me back by many years and i will remain in a dream world until another melody steps in...

Believe me...the last 5 days I have been in heaven humming the Piano classic Enna enna vaarthaigalo !!!!!. No words to explain the joyous and emotional feel that I experience with this song as a companion..
I am stunned by the ending piano chords as every charanam is completed !!!
Very sharp notes..... how did they conceive such a chord !!! Blissful...
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 10, 2014 9:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

நவ ரசத்திற்க்கும் பாடல்கள் கொடுத்தவர் மெல்லிசை மன்னர் அதிலொன்று

மஞ்சள் முகம் நிறம் மாறி - காட்சிமட்டுமில்லாது கதையையும் , அதன் போக்கையும் கவனத்தில் கொண்டே மெட்டு அமைக்கிறார் மெல்லிசை மன்னர் ஒரு சிறந்த உதாரணம் இந்த பாடல்.

பூச் சூட்டல் நிகழ்சி ,மங்களகரமான ,மகிழ்வான ஒரு நிகழ்வு .காட்சி அமைப்பும் அப்படியே . ஆனால்
சரணத்தில் வரும் கர்ணன் தந்த பிள்ளை என்றால் கார்மேகம் அல்லவா எதிர் காலத்தில் இந்த தேசத்தில் அவன் கருணை செய்வான் அல்லவா என்ற வரிகள் எனக்கு மெல்லிய சோகத்துடன் கேட்கும் , பின்புலத்தில் shenoy ஒலிக்க அதன் காரணம் கர்ணனின் மகன் போரில் சிறுவயதில் போர் விதிமுறைகளை மீறி கொல்லப்படப்போகிறான் என்ற காரணமோ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2VjiexpEHPQ
இது எனக்கு மட்டுமா இல்லை எல்லோரும் உணருகிறீர்களா

இதே போல் தான் மலர்களை போல் தங்கை உறங்குகிறாள் .
எல்லோரும் இந்த பாடலில் எடுத்து காட்டும் வரிகள் பூ மணம் கொண்டவள் பால் மணம் கண்டாள் பொங்கிடும் தாய்மையில் -- நிச்சயமாக கவியரசுவின் முத்து வரிகள்

ஆனால் நான் குறிப்பிட வந்த வரிகள் ஆசையின் பாதையில் ஓடிய பெண் மயில் அன்புடன் விழுந்திட கண்டான் - இங்கும் பாருங்கள் ஒரு மெல்லிய சோகம் காரணம் தங்கைக்காக ஒப்புக்கொண்ட திருமணம்
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9P8Hynotz1M#t=11
இது என்னுடன் உணர்வோ தெரிய்யவில்லை

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 13, 2014 10:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dear Mr. Parthavi,

It is wonderful thread which you have started. Please continue. There are many good comments. I can give some reference of the user name which you can search from you tube and see. Look for the user name Map007, campac(some thing I do not remember. I shall give you referrence of the song or the user as when when I get.

But I wish you should list the comments yourself.

Just look for the song 'pookkale vanna vanna kavidhaigal padikkum' from Kanne Knaiyamudhe.

There had been some heated debate also between myself and Kumcha about MSV. See the song 'thendral urangiya podhum'

Also see the song 'koovaamal kovidum kogilam' from Vairamalai.

See the song 'sorgam pakkathil'.

May be every day I shall give you some tips.

Thanks,

N Y Murali
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