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MSV COMPOSING STYLE PART 1

 
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N Y MURALI
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 24, 2008 8:23 pm    Post subject: MSV COMPOSING STYLE PART 1 Reply with quote

ONCE I WAS DISCUSSING WITH MY BROTHER REG THE CINE SONGS. MY BROTHER TOLD ME THAT THE YEAR BETWEEN 1960 TO 1980 SHOULD BE THE GOLDEN PERIOD FOR TFM. I SAID IT IS NOT ONLY FOR TFM BUT FOR THE WHOLE INDIAN MUSIC ITSELF. THE REASON I SAY IS BECAUSE NOT NOLY THE TAMIL CINE SONGS DURING THAT PERIOD WERE EVERLASTING MELODIES NUT THE HINDI SONGS THAT CAME DURING THAT PERIOD WERE ALSO EVER HIT. IT ALSO APPLIES FOR EVEN THE TAMIL DEVOTIONAL SONGS. TAKE FOR e.g. “ VINAYAGANE VINAY THEERPAVANE” SUNG BY THE GREAT DR. SIRKALI GOVINDARAJAN. EVEN TODAY IF VINAYAGA CHATHURTI FESTIVAL COMES IN TAMILNADU YOU WILL FIRST HEAR THIS SONG FROM THE TEMPLE. LIKEWISE SONGS SUNG BY TMS LIKE “KARPANAI ENDRALUM” OR “ULLAM URUGUTHAIYAA” ARE EVERLASTING MELODIES. INNUMERABLE SINGER WHO HAVE RENDERED THEIR PERF DURING THAT PERIOD LIKE SULAMAGALAM SISTERS, BANGALORE RAMANIYMMAL, P SUSHEELA ETC ARE ALL HITS. THERE COULD HAVE BEEN TENS OF THOUSANDS OF SONGS COMPOSED AFTER 1980 INCLUDING MY COMPOSITION. TAKE FOR EXAMPLE IYYAPAN DEVOTIONAL SONGS SUNG BY LATE SRI K VEERAMANI . I MYSELF HAS COMPOSED 2 ALBUMS ON LORD IYYAPPPA AND ONE OF THAT WAS SUNG BY KV. BUT NOTHING TO BEAT HIS “PALLIKKATTU SABARIMALAKKKU” WHICH WAS COMPOSED IN LATE 60S. SO THE SONGS THAT WERE COMPOSED DURING THAT PERIOD IS SOMETHING VERY SPECIAL.

BUT I DO NOT DISMISS THOSE SONGS THAT ARE COMPOSED BEFORE 1960S OR THOSE SONGS THAT WERE COMPOSED AFTER 1980S TO TILL DATE ARE NOT GOOD. THERE WERE MUSIC JAMBAVANS WHO HAVE RENDERED THEIR TALENTS LIKE K V MAHADEVAN, G RMANATHA IYER, S VENKATARAMAN, SUDARSANAM, V KUMAR AND OFCOURSE THE GREAT ILAYARAJA WHO GAVE A NEW DIMNSION TO CINE MUSIC BY HIS SKILL IN ORCHATRASION AND RE RECCORDING. NOW WE ARE IN AN ERA OF A R REHMAN AND HARRIS JAYRAJ, VIDYA SAGAR ETC. ALL THE GOOD WORK DONE BY THESE PEOPLE ARE APPRECIATED.

BUT THE IMPORTANT THING IS THAT WHILE IF YOU NOTICE THE SONGS BEFORE 1960 AND AFTER 1980 THERE WILL ONE TWO SONGS IN A MOVIE THAT WILL HIT WHREAS YOU WILL FIND ALMOST ALL THE SONGS OF A MOVIE WILL BE HIT DURING 1960S TO 1980S. EVEN IF A MOVIE IS NOT COMMECIALLY HIT THE REASON COULD BE MANY THE SONGS WELL BE ALWAYS HIT. TAKE FOR EXAMPLE THE MOVIE “PAZHANI”. I WAS TOLD THAT AMONGS MANY OF Mr. BHIM SINGH’S “PA” SERIES THIS IS A FALIURE. BUT WHAT ABOUT THE SONGS ? WE STILL ENJOY SONGS LIKE “ANNAN ENNADA THAMBI ENNADA” OR THE BEST FOLK STYLE LIKE “AARODUM MANNIL ENDRUM”.

SO IF YOU ANALYSE THE SONGS THAT WERE COMPOSED DURING THAT PERIOD HAD MAINLY MSV, KVM V KUMAR. BUT MAJOR PORTION OF THOSE SONGS WERE COMPOSED BY MSV.

LIKE ALL OF YOU WHO ARE IN THIS MSVTIMES FAN CLUB I ALSO GREW HEARING HIS SONGS IN RADIO. I STILL REMEMBER IN 70S HEARING VIVID BHARATHIS THEN KINNAM EVERY NIGHT. IN ONE HOUR IF THERE COULD 15 SONGS 12 TO 13 WOULD BE OF MSV/TKR OR MSV SONGS. HE WAS THE BADSHAH OF VIVID BHARATHI.

OF COURSE THE REASON FOR THOSE GOLDEN SONGS ARE NOT ONLY BECAUSE OF MSV BUT ALSO FOR DR. KANNADASAN, VALI FOR THEIR LYRICS. AND IF YOU TAKE THE CASE OF SINGERS YOU HAD VARIETY OF SINGERS. TAKE TMS WHO’S VOICE IS SO FAMOUS FOR HIS CRYSTAL CLEAR VOICE AND FOR HIS PRONOUNCING THE LYRICS. HE CAN PRODUCE DIFFERENT VOICE FOR MGR, SIVAJI OR FOR OTHERS. I RECALL ONCE I WAS HEARING THE SONGS “EN KELVIK ENNA BATHIL” IN THE MOVIE “UYARNDHA MANIDHAN” AND I FOUND HIS VOICE SOUNDING VERY DIFFERENT. LATER ON WHEN I SAW THE MOIVE I REALISED THAT HE HAS SUNG FOR SIVAKUMAR. HE ALWAYS SINGS WITH THE BHAVAM THAT IS TO EXPRESS EMOTIONS BY HIS VOICE. IF HE CAN SING A “MADHAVI PON MAYILAL “ IN CARNATIC STYLE HE COULD ALSO SINGS “YAAR ANDHA NILAVU” WHICH IS LATIN STYLE. LILE WISE IF YOU TAKE P SUSHEELA YOU TAKE IS SHE CAN SING “MANNAVAN VANDHANADI THOZHI” IN CARNATIC STYLE SHE COULD ALSO SING “PAVAI PAVA THAN ASAI ASAI DHAN” WHICH SOMETHING LIKE CLUB DANCE STYLE. OF COURE WE CAN TALK ENDLESSLY ABOUT THE SINGERS ALONE DURING THAT PERIOD. IF YOU NOTICE THE SINGERS DURING THAT PERIOD YOU WILL SEE EACH ONE UNIQUE. SAY FOR EXAMPLE A L RAGHAVAN. CAN YOU SAY HE SINGS LIKE PBS. NO WAY. EACH AND EVERY SINGER LIKE SIRKALI, PBS, SPB, KJY WERE VERY UNIQUE IN THEIR VOICE.

IF YOU TAKE FEMALE SINGERS I THINK WE ARE BEST RASIKKAS BLESSED TO BE LIVING AMONGNST P SUSHEELA. WE ALL KNOW THAT SHE IS FROM ANDHRA. I HAD BEEN TO MSV”S FELICITATION FUNCTIONS ORG BY VASANTH TV AND DINA THANDHI ON 21ST DEC. THEY SHOWED A CLIPPING OF P S TALKING ABOUNT MSV. THE TAMIL ASCENT SHE WAS SPAEKING WAS LIKE A TYPICAL TELUGU PERSON SPEAKING TAMIL (KOCHAI TAMIZH). I WAS WONDERING HOW WITH THIS KIND OF TAMIL ASCENT SHE WAS ABLE TO SING ENDLESS TAMIL SONGS WITHOUT ANY MISTAKES IN PRONOUNCIATION. CAN ANYBODY BEAT HER IN THE SONGS “TAMZHIKKUM AMUDENDRU PER” IN THE MOVIE “PANCHAVARNAKILI”. I THINK THE LYRIC WRITER DR. BHARTHIDASAN WOULD HAVE BEEN MORE PROUD ABOUT HER TAMIL PRONOUNCEMENT IN THAT SONGS. SO IT SHOWS HOW DEDICATED THESE ARTISTS WERE WHILE IT COMES TO PERFORMANCE. I CAN KEEP ON TALKING ABOUT OTHERS SINGERS LIKE PBS,SPB,KJY, LRE,SJ AND SO ON. IF I HAVE NOT MENTIONED ANY OTHER PEOPLE IT IS NOT BECAUSE THEY HAVE NOT CONTIBUTED BUT OUR SUBJECT IS ABOUT MSV’S COMPOSING STYLE.MSV HIMSELF ALWAYS USED TO SAY THAT HIS SUCCESS IS ALWAYS BECAUSE OF TEAM WORK.

THERE IS ANOTHER ASPECT FOR THE SUCCESS OF THE SONGS DURING THAT PERIOD. IT IS DO WITH THE ACTORS LIKE MGR, SIVAJI, AND GEMINI TO MENTION A FEW. THEY HAVE TAKEN SPECIACL CARE WHILE THEY SHOULD THEIR SKILL IN ACTING WHICH ENHANCED THE STORY AND THE SONGS.

OF COURSE THE MAJOR CREDIT SHOULD GO TO THE DIRECTORS LIKE BHM SINGH, KVG, SRIDHAR, KRISHNAN PANJU, BALACHANDER ETC. THEY WILL SIT WITH THE MD FOR DAYS TO GET THE WRIGHT MELODY FOR THE WRIGHT SITUATION. WE ALL KNOW HOW MGR USED TO EXTARCT THE BEST OUT MSV.

AND THE OTHER IMPORTANT FACTOR IS THE ORCHESTRA OF MSV. WHEN I FIRST SURFED MSVTIMES I WAS VERY HAPPY TO FIND THAT THEY HAD A SEPARATE PAGE IN WHICH THEY LISTED THE NAMES OF THE INSTRMENTAL PLAYERS OF MSV TROOP. I WANT TO SUGGEST TO THE MODERATOR THAT THEY SHOULD ALSO TRY TO GET THEIR PHOTOS. THE LISTING OF THEIR NAMES IN WAY IS ONE WAY OF SHOWING OUR GRATITUDE TO THOSE GREAT MEN WHO HAVE MADE THESE SONGS EVERGREEN. ALL OF THESE THEY DID WHEN YOU DID NOT HAVE TRACK RECORIDNG FACILITIS. TAKE FOR EXAMPLE THE SONS “ENGE NIMMADHI” WE ALL KNOW THAT THERE WERE AS MANY AS 305 INSTRUMENTS USED IN THAT SONGS WHICH I THINK SHOULD BE ELIGIBLE FOR GUINNESS RECORD. OUT THAT THERE WERE 105 VIOLINS BEING USED. EVEN ONE VIOLINST MAKES A MISTAKE THE WHOLE SONG HAS TO BE DONE ALL OVER AGAIN. IF YOU KEEP THIS IN MIND THEN YOU WILL UNDERSTAND HOW PROFESSINAL THEY WERE AND HOW THEY WORKED AS A TEAM. IF “ENGE NIMMADHI” IS KNOWN FOR MAX NO OF INSTRUMENTS THEN A SONG “OTHAYADI PADHIYILE ATHEY MAGA POGAIYILE” CONSISTS OF ONLT 3 INTRUMENTS. BITH SONGS ARE SUPER HIT. AND YOU CAN UNDERSTAND THE FLEXIBILTY MSV HAS. YOU GIVE WHATEVER RESOURCES ACOORDING TO THE BUDGET HE WILL DELIVER YOU QUALITY IRRESPETIVE OF THE BUDGET.

IF MSV COULD BE ELEIGIBLE FOR GUINESS RECORD FOR THE SONGS “ENGE NIMMADHI: FOR THE NO OF INSTRUMENTS HE MUST ELEGIBLE FOR THE SHEER NO OF MOVIES HE COMPOSED. WHEN I WENT THRO THE MOVIE LIST OF MSV’S I FOUND THE MSVTIMES HAS MENTIONED ABOUT 517 MOVIES I TAMIL AND SOME HINDI AND OTHER LANGAUGE FILMS. BUT IN THE SAME SITE IN OTHER PLACE WHERE A KERALITE NEWSPAPER HAS MENTIONED THAT HE HAS COMPOSED FOR OVER 1780 MOVIES IN ALL LANGUAGES PUT TO GETHER. I WANT ANY ONE OF TO CLEAR MY DOUBTS ABOUT THIS. IF THAT IS SO THEN I AM SURE NO OTHER MUSIC DIRECTOR IN THE WORLD WOULD HAVE ACHIEVED THIS UNIQUE FEATURE. I THINK WE MUST TAKE THIS FORWARD AND WHY NOT APPLY FOR THE GUINESS RECORD. OF COURE MSV MAY NOT AGREE AS HE HIS ALWAYS HUMBLE BUT THERE IS NOTHING WRONG IN CLAIMING THIS ASPECT. WE RASIKAS OF MSV SHOULD DO THIS.

IF MSV HAS COMPOSED ABOUT 1750 MOVIES AND IF YOU KEEP 5 SONGS FOR A MOVIE THEN THE TOTAL COMES TO ABOUT 9000. AND ADD THE NO OF TUNES FOR A PARTICALAR SONG HE OFFERED FOR A PARTICULAR SONG. MSV ONCE SAID HE COMPOSED A TUNE FOR THE MOVIE KUMARI KOTTAM “ENGE AVAL” MGR WAS NOT SATISFIED AND ASKED TO MSV TO COME UP WITH ANOTHER. MSV DID. AGAIND IT WAS REJECTED. LIKE THAT THE SONGS WE ARE HEARING “ENGE AVL” IS THE 28TH TUNE. WHAT HAPPENED TO THOSE 27 WHICH WERE REJECTED ASKED THE REPOTER. MSV SIMPLY SAID IT ALL VANISHED IN THE AIR. SO IF YOU TAKE THAT HE COULD HAVE OFFERED NOT LESS THAN 25000 TUNES. WHERE FROM THESE CREATIVITY COMES. UNBELIVABLE.

ACTUALLY WHEN I FOUND THIS SITE I WANTED TO JOIN IN THIS CLUB AS I WAS ALSO LIKE YOU ALL ONE AMOUNG THE MSV FAN WHO HAS BECOME A FAN AFTER HEARING HIS SONGS FROM MY CHILDHOOD. BUT MYSELF BEING AN AMATURE MUSIC COMPOSER AS A HOBBY I WANTED TO FIND WHAT IS IN IT IN HIS COMPOSITION. SO I STARTED PLAYING HIS SONGS IN THE HARMONIUM FROM 1985. SO I WOULD HAVE TRIED ATLEAST ABOUT 3000 SONGS OF HIS IN THE LAST 25 YEARS. I AM STILL DOING THIS AS A HOBBY. I FOUND THERE IS UNIQUENESS IN HIS COMPOSITION. AS AN ORDENT MSV FAN I THOUGHT I SHOULD SHARE THIS INFORMATION WITH YOU. EVERY TIME I TRY HIS SONG MY CONGLUSION ABOUT HIS COMPOSITION BECAME STRONGER. SOMETIMES I USED TO BE IN TEARS WHEN I PLAY HIS SONG. I STRONGLY BELIVE THAT HE HAS A SPECIAL POWER TO BE DIRECTLY CONNECTED TO THE MUSIC GOD FROM WHERE HE IS GETTING ALL HIS INSPRATION. THIS IS WHAT I WANTED TO SHARE WITH YOU ALL.

I SHALL GET IN TO HIS COMPOSING METHID IN MY FORTH COMING POSTINGS. TO KNOW ABOUT HIS COMPOSITION METHOD WE NEED TO KNOW LITTLE BIT ABOUT MUSIC. OF COURSE IT IS NOT REQURIED FOR ALL OF THE MSV FANS TO KNOW THA NAUNCES OF MUSIC. YOU NEED TO KNOW ABOUT MUSIC ONLY WHEN YOU ARE A PERFORMER. TO BE A MSV RASIKAN THERE IS NO NEED TO KNOW ABOUT MUSIC. THE ONLY QUALIFICAION YOU SHOULD HAVE IS THE “RASIPPU THANMAI”.

BUT IF ANY ONE OF IS INTERESTED TO KNOW MORE THAN THIS THEN I PROMISE YOU THAT WHILE YOU KEEP KNOWING MORE AND MORE ABOUT HIS STYLE OF COMPOSITON YOU WOULD HAVE MORE FUN AND ALSO YOU WOULD MORE EMOTIONS.
I WANTED TO TELL MY EXPERIENCE HERE THAT I HAVE NEVER LEARNT ANY PROPER CARNATIC OR WESTERN MUSIC FROM ANYBODY EXCEPT THAT I LEAREBED ABOUT HARMONIUM FROM A TEACHER IN 1985 THAT TOO FOR ONLY 2 MONTHS. BUT I AM NOT SUGESSTING THAT WITHOUT A PROPER TEACHING WE CAN LEARN MUSIC. WE ONLY WANTED TO UNDERSTAND HOW THIS GREAT MAN CREATED SO MANY NO OF TUNES WITH OUT ANY FUSS. OF COURSE YOU NEED EXTENSIVE TRAING IF YOU WANT TO BECOME A PROFESSINAL MUSICIAN. BUT OUR PURPOSE HERE IS WE WANTED TO KNOW MORE ABOUT HIS COMPOSING FOR WHICH WE CAN TRY OURSELF.

AND IN THE PROCESS WE WOULD COME TO THE CONCLUSION THAT WE ALL WOULD BE PROUD TO BE LIVING DUIRNG THE PERIOD OF THIS LEGEND.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 25, 2008 9:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

"SO I STARTED PLAYING HIS SONGS IN THE HARMONIUM FROM 1985. SO I WOULD HAVE TRIED ATLEAST ABOUT 3000 SONGS OF HIS IN THE LAST 25 YEARS. I AM STILL DOING THIS AS A HOBBY. I FOUND THERE IS UNIQUENESS IN HIS COMPOSITION. "

Dear Murali,
As you already have found out that the most important reason for MSV songs being so popular is his variety in his compositions in my opinion. Then comes lyrics, actors, picturization......

Very interesting that you started playing harmonium for MSV songs, recently my 8 year old son started learning Piano and I bought him a piano (small size) for practice immediately. My hidden agenda was to learn what he is learning or some how learn to play some MSV songs on it oneday. What a stress buster it would be !!.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 25, 2008 8:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mr. SRIRAM

DONT WORRY COME TO ME. I SHALL HELP YOU TO PLAY KEY BOARD OF MSV SONGS. I PROMISE YOU WILL HAVE LOT OF FUN.

N Y MURALI
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 27, 2008 9:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dear Mr. Murali,
What an exhaustive analysis! And so objective! You have covered evryone fromthe MD through the lyricists, directors, singers, actors and the instrument players.Your analysis is in tune with MSV's repated assetion on the efficacy of team work.
I have been trying to understand carnatic music but I couldn't find time to learn carnatic music. But I find that listening to MSV's songs and understanding the patterns helps me in understanding carnatic music to some extent.
Yes, there is something unique about MSV. While only very few songs of the pre-1950 and post-1980 are remembered and heard a large number of songs on 1960--80, most of themcomposed by MSV-TKR or MSV are heard. Today, if we surf Tamil TV channels,we can hear old Tamil songs for about 8 hours per day. Only Time is the best judge of any creation and Time has already given its verdict. I am sure that even after 100 years,people will be listening to the songs of the Golden Period ("Porkaala Thirai Isai," as Aaathavan describes these songs in his Amudha Gaanam program.
I would like to learn to play the golden melodies on keyboard from you,if you can sparethe time. Pl give me your contact numer. Mine is 93808 74579.
Thanks for sharing your rich thoughts.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 28, 2008 12:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

HELLO PARTHAVI
MY MOBILE NO IS 98409 08843

N Y MURALI
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